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		<title>By: frevv</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Honey, it was exactly my thoughts as well regarding the changes in the characters. Fact is, people change especially after 10 years. Also, I watched the Australian production, which from my understanding is a bit different than UK one, I loved it. 

When I watched it, I really think of it as a stand alone opera and not as a sequel to POTO, although even if I think of it as a sequel I would still enjoyed it. From my understanding, After the final scene of the POTO, Christine was having second thoughts about marrying Raoul right on the day before the wedding (maybe she got cold feet or maybe she realised that all along she has always been in love with phantom) so she seek Phantom at his hiding place and they made love. At night time when Phantom met Christine, they thought that they might be able to work it out somehow, but comes morning Phantom knew that it won&#039;t work out, first, he&#039;s still ashamed of his disfigured face, and second, there is the fact that he&#039;s a wanted man in Paris. So he left Christine, and fled from Paris with the help of Madame Giry and Meg.

As for the change in Raoul, well My theory is that, after the last scene in POTO he probably also noticed that Christine loves Phantom probably as much as she loves him or if not more, when she kissed Phantom the last time, that plus the lack of virginity on their wedding night, makes him feel insecure about Christine&#039;s feelings, this insecurity caused him to start drinking and gambling to chase away those feelings. Also, in the Australian production, Raoul didn&#039;t know that Gustave is Phantom&#039;s son, it&#039;s shown during his confrontation with Phantom at the bar, he was in shocked and denied it.

Then people saying that Phantom has become soft and social, well he&#039;s in Coney Island where the freaks lived, so he&#039;s pretty much feels more at ease there than in Paris, plus he knew then that Christine had loved him, so that could soften him up. And also, in POTO, it was shown that people only shows him disgust and contempt over his disfigurement which in turn caused him to be a bitter man, whereas in Coney island, people are more accepting so it makes some of his bitterness fade away. Another thing as well is that he was actually still quite mean/cruel in the beginning (in Australian Production, not sure with UK one) in terms that he actually threaten Christine that if she&#039;s not singing in Phantasma, she would never be able to see Gustave again. It was the revelation that Gustave is his son, that changed his mind (as in his song, he said that Gustave is his saviour light)

And in the Australian production, they did show Phantom&#039;s anguish over Christine&#039;s death, he was going to jump from the pier, but the presence of Gustave again changed his mind.

I personally also love the story line, I think it&#039;s nice, and simple. Most of the music are good too, costume, and settings are fabulous I love it. especially Christine&#039;s costume when she sings Love Never Ends. Settings are amazing when Phantom and Gustave were singing Beauty Underneath ( which was one of my fav song in LND. Others are Beautiful, Love Never Dies, and Till I Hear You Sing)

Anyway, that&#039;s just my personal opinion. Like any kind books/music/movies some will like it, some will hate it, and some will love it. With me, I simply loves it. 

People should judge by themselves and not by what others said about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Honey, it was exactly my thoughts as well regarding the changes in the characters. Fact is, people change especially after 10 years. Also, I watched the Australian production, which from my understanding is a bit different than UK one, I loved it. </p>
<p>When I watched it, I really think of it as a stand alone opera and not as a sequel to POTO, although even if I think of it as a sequel I would still enjoyed it. From my understanding, After the final scene of the POTO, Christine was having second thoughts about marrying Raoul right on the day before the wedding (maybe she got cold feet or maybe she realised that all along she has always been in love with phantom) so she seek Phantom at his hiding place and they made love. At night time when Phantom met Christine, they thought that they might be able to work it out somehow, but comes morning Phantom knew that it won&#8217;t work out, first, he&#8217;s still ashamed of his disfigured face, and second, there is the fact that he&#8217;s a wanted man in Paris. So he left Christine, and fled from Paris with the help of Madame Giry and Meg.</p>
<p>As for the change in Raoul, well My theory is that, after the last scene in POTO he probably also noticed that Christine loves Phantom probably as much as she loves him or if not more, when she kissed Phantom the last time, that plus the lack of virginity on their wedding night, makes him feel insecure about Christine&#8217;s feelings, this insecurity caused him to start drinking and gambling to chase away those feelings. Also, in the Australian production, Raoul didn&#8217;t know that Gustave is Phantom&#8217;s son, it&#8217;s shown during his confrontation with Phantom at the bar, he was in shocked and denied it.</p>
<p>Then people saying that Phantom has become soft and social, well he&#8217;s in Coney Island where the freaks lived, so he&#8217;s pretty much feels more at ease there than in Paris, plus he knew then that Christine had loved him, so that could soften him up. And also, in POTO, it was shown that people only shows him disgust and contempt over his disfigurement which in turn caused him to be a bitter man, whereas in Coney island, people are more accepting so it makes some of his bitterness fade away. Another thing as well is that he was actually still quite mean/cruel in the beginning (in Australian Production, not sure with UK one) in terms that he actually threaten Christine that if she&#8217;s not singing in Phantasma, she would never be able to see Gustave again. It was the revelation that Gustave is his son, that changed his mind (as in his song, he said that Gustave is his saviour light)</p>
<p>And in the Australian production, they did show Phantom&#8217;s anguish over Christine&#8217;s death, he was going to jump from the pier, but the presence of Gustave again changed his mind.</p>
<p>I personally also love the story line, I think it&#8217;s nice, and simple. Most of the music are good too, costume, and settings are fabulous I love it. especially Christine&#8217;s costume when she sings Love Never Ends. Settings are amazing when Phantom and Gustave were singing Beauty Underneath ( which was one of my fav song in LND. Others are Beautiful, Love Never Dies, and Till I Hear You Sing)</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s just my personal opinion. Like any kind books/music/movies some will like it, some will hate it, and some will love it. With me, I simply loves it. </p>
<p>People should judge by themselves and not by what others said about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We saw this fantastic production on Friday, 7th May 2010.  We just loved it, everything about it and didn&#039;t want it to end.  We definitely want to see it again and will recommend it to all our friends and family. The music and voices absolutely superb. Just one thing Andrew, did you run out of ideas in the second half or just run out of steam ? After the most amazing first half, we thought the scenes with Christine at her mirror, with just the curtain behind was strange and I found it took my mind off the plot,I found myself wondering why she wasn&#039;t in a proper set, and when she was singing Love Never Dies the strange set did nothing to enhance such a special moment. There was definitely something lacking and just a bit disappointing in the second half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We saw this fantastic production on Friday, 7th May 2010.  We just loved it, everything about it and didn&#8217;t want it to end.  We definitely want to see it again and will recommend it to all our friends and family. The music and voices absolutely superb. Just one thing Andrew, did you run out of ideas in the second half or just run out of steam ? After the most amazing first half, we thought the scenes with Christine at her mirror, with just the curtain behind was strange and I found it took my mind off the plot,I found myself wondering why she wasn&#8217;t in a proper set, and when she was singing Love Never Dies the strange set did nothing to enhance such a special moment. There was definitely something lacking and just a bit disappointing in the second half.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO ADD:

Personally I raved and defended ALW to people in the city who said the Manhattan story was a disaster waiting to happen and I said in every discussion that ALW would not let people down. My colleges who also went where also very disappointed and sadly “proved me wrong”. 

Idea: Instead of lashing out on your die hard loyal fans why not consider putting your hands up, the stories a mess, pull it, it needs more than a few tweeks it needs a new story simple as. You cannot advertise a “Sequel” and do what you have done. It’s totally different from your show and the film, from the major time difference in Christine’s death in the film to the way all the characters have changed and I’m sorry the ten years thing does not cut it, a sequel is meant to flow, not have you thinking “hold on a minute” every five minutes it destroys the journey. You cannot have a sequel with these bad and totally poor story and continuity differences. 

Please note I&#039;m not totally rubbishing it as I&#039;ve said before the visual effects where stunning, three songs where fantastic including “love never dies” and “till I hear you sing” which is a masterpiece and also the cast especially Ramin are all fantastically stunning and should be very proud of their performances.</description>
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<p>Personally I raved and defended ALW to people in the city who said the Manhattan story was a disaster waiting to happen and I said in every discussion that ALW would not let people down. My colleges who also went where also very disappointed and sadly “proved me wrong”. </p>
<p>Idea: Instead of lashing out on your die hard loyal fans why not consider putting your hands up, the stories a mess, pull it, it needs more than a few tweeks it needs a new story simple as. You cannot advertise a “Sequel” and do what you have done. It’s totally different from your show and the film, from the major time difference in Christine’s death in the film to the way all the characters have changed and I’m sorry the ten years thing does not cut it, a sequel is meant to flow, not have you thinking “hold on a minute” every five minutes it destroys the journey. You cannot have a sequel with these bad and totally poor story and continuity differences. </p>
<p>Please note I&#8217;m not totally rubbishing it as I&#8217;ve said before the visual effects where stunning, three songs where fantastic including “love never dies” and “till I hear you sing” which is a masterpiece and also the cast especially Ramin are all fantastically stunning and should be very proud of their performances.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TODAY IN &quot;DAILY MAIL&quot; I WAS DISCUSTED WITH THIS...

A QUOTE FROM ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER - HIS RESPONSE TO FANS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR FEELING ABOUT LOVE NEVER DIES AND HAVE KEPT HIS PHANTOM SHOWS FULL BOOKED FOR TWENTY YEARS TO PUT MILLIONS IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT!

&quot;A SAD CULTURE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ONLY BY THE OLD PHANTOM OF THE OPERA&quot;

&quot;SAD CULTURE&quot; HOW DARE YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TODAY IN &#8220;DAILY MAIL&#8221; I WAS DISCUSTED WITH THIS&#8230;</p>
<p>A QUOTE FROM ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER &#8211; HIS RESPONSE TO FANS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR FEELING ABOUT LOVE NEVER DIES AND HAVE KEPT HIS PHANTOM SHOWS FULL BOOKED FOR TWENTY YEARS TO PUT MILLIONS IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT!</p>
<p>&#8220;A SAD CULTURE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ONLY BY THE OLD PHANTOM OF THE OPERA&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;SAD CULTURE&#8221; HOW DARE YOU</p>
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		<title>By: honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add one more thing: I read Phantom of Manhattan. I hated it and would have tossed it in the fire, but it was a friend&#039;s book. lol The character changes were totally unbelievable with regard to the way they were represented in PotO (i.e.- showing Phantom had raped Christine and she still feared him throughout most of book until very end, etc,) - LND sounds nothing like this! The characters (thank God!) ALW made more believable, as far as how they progressed through ALL he showed in his original show and movie. No rape, no &quot;spell&quot;- all about love. (All I Ask of You was an act of desperation on Christine&#039;s part, to try to escape what she feared - not a true pledge of undying love. Read the lyrics- they&#039;re all about - promise me- take me away! Help me! Do this and I&#039;ll spend a life with you - She always relied on Raoul as her friend, to save her. But that&#039;s not true love...)

POM took place during a Civil War play. ALW&#039;s took place at a magical fantasy land that the Phantom created - something he would do (remember Don Juan and Point of No Return? How &quot;shocking&quot; that was (for the time period) and how the opera audience looked horrified to see it and hear it? It&#039;s believable to me he would manage a burlesque type freak show- but not in a way to extort or hurt them. Because he considered himself one of them, through all he had suffered - they were like his family.

The only comparison I can see to POM and LND is the ending. Different characters shooting gun (Raoul in POM) but same idea- Christine dies, Gustave finds Phantom is his father and accepts him.

Still, the book didn&#039;t make it seem believable because of the inconsistency of characterization and their actions and feelings throughout entire story.

ALW, in my opinion from what I&#039;ve read of many reviews, professional and amateur, heard from friends who saw show, and have seen of pictures- made it very believable.

LND is a far cry from POM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add one more thing: I read Phantom of Manhattan. I hated it and would have tossed it in the fire, but it was a friend&#8217;s book. lol The character changes were totally unbelievable with regard to the way they were represented in PotO (i.e.- showing Phantom had raped Christine and she still feared him throughout most of book until very end, etc,) &#8211; LND sounds nothing like this! The characters (thank God!) ALW made more believable, as far as how they progressed through ALL he showed in his original show and movie. No rape, no &#8220;spell&#8221;- all about love. (All I Ask of You was an act of desperation on Christine&#8217;s part, to try to escape what she feared &#8211; not a true pledge of undying love. Read the lyrics- they&#8217;re all about &#8211; promise me- take me away! Help me! Do this and I&#8217;ll spend a life with you &#8211; She always relied on Raoul as her friend, to save her. But that&#8217;s not true love&#8230;)</p>
<p>POM took place during a Civil War play. ALW&#8217;s took place at a magical fantasy land that the Phantom created &#8211; something he would do (remember Don Juan and Point of No Return? How &#8220;shocking&#8221; that was (for the time period) and how the opera audience looked horrified to see it and hear it? It&#8217;s believable to me he would manage a burlesque type freak show- but not in a way to extort or hurt them. Because he considered himself one of them, through all he had suffered &#8211; they were like his family.</p>
<p>The only comparison I can see to POM and LND is the ending. Different characters shooting gun (Raoul in POM) but same idea- Christine dies, Gustave finds Phantom is his father and accepts him.</p>
<p>Still, the book didn&#8217;t make it seem believable because of the inconsistency of characterization and their actions and feelings throughout entire story.</p>
<p>ALW, in my opinion from what I&#8217;ve read of many reviews, professional and amateur, heard from friends who saw show, and have seen of pictures- made it very believable.</p>
<p>LND is a far cry from POM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ric smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>ric smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say what a mix of reviews. I have booked tickets and cant wait to see the show. ALW has always said that this is a stand alone show and i always had Raoul down as that sort of character, he was rich and dashing. He must have always known that christine loved the phantom, one of the last things we see in the stage show is christine giving the Phantom a big old snog and looking lovingly at him as she sales off with Raoul. So to me this story is believable. I think people have to go with an open mind, this is an ALW show and he knows what he&#039;s doing, he knows how teh industry works and how to work the press. It is very true that you should never see a show till a month after previews, its called previews for a reason. Even if this flops (which i doubt it will) look at the global following the ill-fated CARRIE now has. I have read bad reviews about wicked and when i saw the show was completly blowen away. Dont knock it till you have tried it, I like the idea of the characters being different i meen it is many yrs on. I for one after reading these reviews cant wait to the show even more now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say what a mix of reviews. I have booked tickets and cant wait to see the show. ALW has always said that this is a stand alone show and i always had Raoul down as that sort of character, he was rich and dashing. He must have always known that christine loved the phantom, one of the last things we see in the stage show is christine giving the Phantom a big old snog and looking lovingly at him as she sales off with Raoul. So to me this story is believable. I think people have to go with an open mind, this is an ALW show and he knows what he&#8217;s doing, he knows how teh industry works and how to work the press. It is very true that you should never see a show till a month after previews, its called previews for a reason. Even if this flops (which i doubt it will) look at the global following the ill-fated CARRIE now has. I have read bad reviews about wicked and when i saw the show was completly blowen away. Dont knock it till you have tried it, I like the idea of the characters being different i meen it is many yrs on. I for one after reading these reviews cant wait to the show even more now.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco from Italy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco from Italy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all. We saw the show on 25th February. I am one of those who didn&#039;t like it at all. One of the worst thing I found in it is Christine singing too much opera style. I am Italian and I do love musicals because they use natural voice singing and not Opera, so I disliked it. Expecially Love Never Dies, the title song which was such a gorgeous song in The Beautiful Game under the name of Our Kind Of Love. I believe this is the 4th of a long series of unsuccessful Webber&#039;s musicals -even though I suggest libretist and director did the worst job. Till I hear you sing and a few more lines were Webber&#039;s music at its high, the rest was very much like Opera read &#039;no theatre music&#039;, but &#039;just music&#039;. Go and see it and have your opinion, but quickly as I don&#039;t think it will last too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all. We saw the show on 25th February. I am one of those who didn&#8217;t like it at all. One of the worst thing I found in it is Christine singing too much opera style. I am Italian and I do love musicals because they use natural voice singing and not Opera, so I disliked it. Expecially Love Never Dies, the title song which was such a gorgeous song in The Beautiful Game under the name of Our Kind Of Love. I believe this is the 4th of a long series of unsuccessful Webber&#8217;s musicals -even though I suggest libretist and director did the worst job. Till I hear you sing and a few more lines were Webber&#8217;s music at its high, the rest was very much like Opera read &#8216;no theatre music&#8217;, but &#8216;just music&#8217;. Go and see it and have your opinion, but quickly as I don&#8217;t think it will last too long.</p>
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		<title>By: honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to clarify this:

 I guess when people say it’s poorly written- you mean because the Phantom didn’t act maniacal or threaten everyone, ending up alone and in despair, and R/C didn’t end up together and running from him… To me, that would have just been the same ole, same ole and a remake of the first. An old concept and pretty boring.

When I said the last, I didn&#039;t mean that the original show was old and boring- lol- not at all! I LOVE the movie version of PotO, my favorite movie on my top 10 list- and I have seen the stage show online too (I had bought a ticket to go to it but wasn&#039;t able to. :( ) . what I meant was that to do all of that a second time, using the same PotO character and story idea for LND - but in a different way would have been &quot;old stuff&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to clarify this:</p>
<p> I guess when people say it’s poorly written- you mean because the Phantom didn’t act maniacal or threaten everyone, ending up alone and in despair, and R/C didn’t end up together and running from him… To me, that would have just been the same ole, same ole and a remake of the first. An old concept and pretty boring.</p>
<p>When I said the last, I didn&#8217;t mean that the original show was old and boring- lol- not at all! I LOVE the movie version of PotO, my favorite movie on my top 10 list- and I have seen the stage show online too (I had bought a ticket to go to it but wasn&#8217;t able to. <img src='http://www.stagetalk.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  ) . what I meant was that to do all of that a second time, using the same PotO character and story idea for LND &#8211; but in a different way would have been &#8220;old stuff&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point of the complete change is to show that making a bad life-altering choice can affect so many and completely change them... 

Raoul never had Christine&#039;s love - not like she felt for the Phantom- but her fear of the world Phantom lived in, etc, made her leave with Raoul. If she had truly always loved Raoul, she would have never gone to the Phantom and made love with him. That, I think, is the point ALW was trying to make- she DID love the Phantom, always would. HE was her choice. So that love did change him, to where he could go out among others (if being the manager of a Coney Island freak show could be called that)- is credible- also that he gained confidence through that, which led him to be able to go to places like the bar. Yes, he changed from an angry, bad, menacing Phantom, into a more gentler man because he WAS human and Christine showed him her love. Love can change anyone. Her kiss at the end of PotO made him decide to forget all his plans for vengeance and let her go, before the mob could get there. ONE kiss did that. Imagine... never mind. :)

He left before morning came, ashamed by what he&#039;d done and thinking she would be appalled that she&#039;d loved a monster. I don&#039;t think she still meant to marry Raoul when she went to the Phantom- I think he was her choice. (could be wrong, but it fits). But when Phantom left her and she was with child, I believe she turned to Raoul for help. I also believe Raoul knew from the start (since he showed no surprise about it in stage show.) And THAT can turn a man very bitter- to raise his enemy&#039;s son and know that his wife has the Phantom in her heart always, that the Phantom is Christine&#039;s true love? I don&#039;t doubt Christine loved Raoul- but never like she did the Phantom. The love for Raoul was more like she would show a friend, someone she felt grateful toward... this is NOT Gaston Leroux&#039;s Phantom, it is ALW&#039;s. His novel concept of an old idea.

I think it very believable that the characters changed in such ways - all because of Christine&#039;s love for the Phantom - a love that NEVER DIED. Meaning it was always there. In PotO too (she was just too frightened to allow it to grow, but after she left that night, she looked for and found the Phantom, going back to him. That tells me she always loved him.)

So these &quot;changes&quot; are all part and parcel of the decision she&#039;d made at the end of PotO- the decision we saw. Leaving with Raoul after showing her love for the Phantom. I NEVER saw an R/C love - it seemed too juvenile to endure the strength of marriage. It was more teenage romance type stuff. But the Phantom she was drawn to as a woman.

LND is the evidence of all that ...

I guess when people say it&#039;s poorly written- you mean because the Phantom didn&#039;t act maniacal or threaten everyone, ending up alone and in despair, and R/C didn&#039;t end up together and running from him... To me, that would have just been the same ole, same ole and a remake of the first. An old concept and pretty boring.

I LOVE this idea for the new concept he&#039;s done - showing E/C as the couple always meant to be. Again, HIS views put into HIS work (forget about the book)- this was ALW&#039;s interpretation. 

I hate it that she had to die- but it is an opera! So something tragic had to happen to the main characters in the end ... but I love that he left it on a hopeful note with Phantom and Gustave becoming father and son, the Phantom now always having a part of himself and Christine, in their child who accepted him. No poorly written phanphic there! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point of the complete change is to show that making a bad life-altering choice can affect so many and completely change them&#8230; </p>
<p>Raoul never had Christine&#8217;s love &#8211; not like she felt for the Phantom- but her fear of the world Phantom lived in, etc, made her leave with Raoul. If she had truly always loved Raoul, she would have never gone to the Phantom and made love with him. That, I think, is the point ALW was trying to make- she DID love the Phantom, always would. HE was her choice. So that love did change him, to where he could go out among others (if being the manager of a Coney Island freak show could be called that)- is credible- also that he gained confidence through that, which led him to be able to go to places like the bar. Yes, he changed from an angry, bad, menacing Phantom, into a more gentler man because he WAS human and Christine showed him her love. Love can change anyone. Her kiss at the end of PotO made him decide to forget all his plans for vengeance and let her go, before the mob could get there. ONE kiss did that. Imagine&#8230; never mind. <img src='http://www.stagetalk.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He left before morning came, ashamed by what he&#8217;d done and thinking she would be appalled that she&#8217;d loved a monster. I don&#8217;t think she still meant to marry Raoul when she went to the Phantom- I think he was her choice. (could be wrong, but it fits). But when Phantom left her and she was with child, I believe she turned to Raoul for help. I also believe Raoul knew from the start (since he showed no surprise about it in stage show.) And THAT can turn a man very bitter- to raise his enemy&#8217;s son and know that his wife has the Phantom in her heart always, that the Phantom is Christine&#8217;s true love? I don&#8217;t doubt Christine loved Raoul- but never like she did the Phantom. The love for Raoul was more like she would show a friend, someone she felt grateful toward&#8230; this is NOT Gaston Leroux&#8217;s Phantom, it is ALW&#8217;s. His novel concept of an old idea.</p>
<p>I think it very believable that the characters changed in such ways &#8211; all because of Christine&#8217;s love for the Phantom &#8211; a love that NEVER DIED. Meaning it was always there. In PotO too (she was just too frightened to allow it to grow, but after she left that night, she looked for and found the Phantom, going back to him. That tells me she always loved him.)</p>
<p>So these &#8220;changes&#8221; are all part and parcel of the decision she&#8217;d made at the end of PotO- the decision we saw. Leaving with Raoul after showing her love for the Phantom. I NEVER saw an R/C love &#8211; it seemed too juvenile to endure the strength of marriage. It was more teenage romance type stuff. But the Phantom she was drawn to as a woman.</p>
<p>LND is the evidence of all that &#8230;</p>
<p>I guess when people say it&#8217;s poorly written- you mean because the Phantom didn&#8217;t act maniacal or threaten everyone, ending up alone and in despair, and R/C didn&#8217;t end up together and running from him&#8230; To me, that would have just been the same ole, same ole and a remake of the first. An old concept and pretty boring.</p>
<p>I LOVE this idea for the new concept he&#8217;s done &#8211; showing E/C as the couple always meant to be. Again, HIS views put into HIS work (forget about the book)- this was ALW&#8217;s interpretation. </p>
<p>I hate it that she had to die- but it is an opera! So something tragic had to happen to the main characters in the end &#8230; but I love that he left it on a hopeful note with Phantom and Gustave becoming father and son, the Phantom now always having a part of himself and Christine, in their child who accepted him. No poorly written phanphic there! <img src='http://www.stagetalk.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<description>Having read the plot and listened to the CD (cuz i havn&#039;t seen it from Australia yet!) I have to say it&#039;s VERY ALW. I think if you weren&#039;t expecting a &#039;sequel&#039; to the original along these lines... well, I certainly was. It&#039;s opera! Like the soundtrack which I have been waiting for forever.. Have to say Phantom has a unique and very rich voice. Love Christine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the plot and listened to the CD (cuz i havn&#8217;t seen it from Australia yet!) I have to say it&#8217;s VERY ALW. I think if you weren&#8217;t expecting a &#8216;sequel&#8217; to the original along these lines&#8230; well, I certainly was. It&#8217;s opera! Like the soundtrack which I have been waiting for forever.. Have to say Phantom has a unique and very rich voice. Love Christine.</p>
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